http://statenews.com The names of the six MSU students suspended for their involvement in the Cedar Fest riot last weekend will not be publicly released, a university official said Wednesday. en-us Foundry4 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:48:18 -0500 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:55:12 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14900/view Free advice for today: Think about the consequences of your choices before you make them, not afterward. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:40:48 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14900/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14906/view good, finally MSU takes some action after all these riots. I hope they make the rules even more strict next year, so that people will understand they are adults now and will face the consequences like adults for their actions. Think, before you act! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:00:04 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14906/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14912/view I really feel that if students are to be suspended or eventually expelled, the evidence of what they actually did must show them doing something really serious, like throwing a bottle at a police officer or pulling out the sign. I am not for the students who indecently exposed themselves, as immature and stupid as it is, to be expelled or even suspended; that is not riotous behavior or risking anyones safety. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:11:35 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14912/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14919/view Thank goodness. Finally, there will be some action by MSU to start making these people think twice about acting so ridiculous. I am NOT referring to all you peeps that were having a rockin good time. I am talking about the 500 or so that wanted to be tear gassed, threw debris within the crowd, at each other, at the police, along with all the other bull crap that was happening. I agree with everyone that it could’ve ended so much better and everyone, including the police, could’ve went home and told their family and friends what an awesome party it turned out to be. Sorry, but the police didn’t want to stay out with you people all night and throw tear gas, regardless of what some of you try and say. That so ridiculous and ingornat to even think. Those cops were having fun with us for most of the night. My friends and I got numerous photos with all kinds of cops. None of them appeared all to thrilled when bottles started being thrown within the crowd and at them. When we got our picture taken with a couple of them, and we asked what they thought of the night after they put their helmets on, the ones we talked to said they were disappointed because they then knew that they wouldn’t be able to go home early to their families. Hmmm….imagine that…they have a life outside ELPD and MSU. Many of you are too ignorant to realize these cops’ lives don’t revolve around you! And for the chicka’s that showed their little boobies. While I think it is an insecure act by the girls that were involved, and not that I am complaining, but really…what are we teaching here? They were’nt really helping with the crowd either; although, I bet their parents already checked YouTube to see if their kids were there and saw their daughters. I bet they were proud! LOL Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:32:26 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14919/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14921/view It is high time that my fellow students speak out in unison against the few bad apples who spoil an otherwise good time for everyone else. It is apparent to me that many of those who “got gassed”, wanted to get gassed. Simply look at the video footage to see those who seemed excited by what happened, or actually chanted “we want gas”. What can we do? I would like to challenge the editors of THIS paper and the so-called leadership of ASMSU (who, by the way, were no where in sight on the night in question) to take a lead and put the blame squarely where it lies. First, point the finger at those who turned violent LONG before the police ever responded (and let’s be clear, the police were remarkably restrained this time). Don’t let them off the hook by making excuses for bad behavior (e.g., what do you expect when police show up) or blame the administration and the City of East Lansing. Just ask your parents what would they expect had such a gathering occured on their home street (and PLEASE save the time honored excuse that “this is a college town, they should expect this). Second, point fingers at those who empower the idiots by “just watching” and/or cheering them on. Until WE understand that WE are responsible for this mess [NOT the police, NOT the administration, NOT anyone else], nothing will ever change. Finally, for those who think this is OK and “normal” for a college town, try searching Youtube and Google for similar events in Chapel Hill and Memphis, where there Final Four Men’s teams lost. Look for other riots in college towns. While there are SOME, MOST do not, and we are grossly overrepresented. Thank you very much. I really look forward to answering questions about this in my next job interview! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:43:38 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14921/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14927/view About time these selfish idiots pay for what they did. It won’t help on job interviews, but there’s a little satisfaction at least. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:09:04 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14927/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14928/view finally, about time? what are you people talking about? The university has been acting as fast as they possibly can. Nobody ever thought the people who were “rioters” should get away with it. relax. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:20:08 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14928/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14933/view Whoa dude, back in my day we though pies not rocks and bottles. Make love not war! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:49:58 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14933/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14935/view um, what exactly did they do? If anything, the presence of the police incited any form of “riot” that happened. I won’t deny the idiocy of Cedar Fest and the people there, but this has been entirely blown out of proportion by the media, by the police, by the university, and now by students who are bitter towards the tarnished image they think these drunken fools singlehandedly established. I feel bad for these students because the police irrationally disrupted this isolated gathering and provoked a “riot”. Due to the pressure of this situation, the police were ordered to arrest somebody and these students had their hangovers in jail simply because the police were there. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:01:59 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14935/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14936/view Hey the dude, I am sure what was meant by about time is that the last couple times “riots” have occured, the university did nothing. and if they did it was not very well announced, so therefore it losses it’s deterrence effect. P.S. I think all of you who riot are a bunch of idiots. Why are you going to try and ruin a good time for everyone else. (I wasn’t there). Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:02:16 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14936/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14937/view Circa 1979: “To the entire faculty and staff of Michigan State University. We the Chefs, an anarchist splinter group here on campus, embarked upon our mission in the spring of 1979. Our mission, not unlike that of our goldfish swallowing forefathers, was one of fun and frivolity, but alas, as the eminent professor Sir Isaac Newton once stated “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”. Such is our misfortune. Let it be known that we are merely artists, the pies are our brushes, the professor’s faces – our canvas. Although our menu has been limited to whipped cream we plan to offer cherry, apple, blueberry and the ever popular lemon meringue. As long as there are oppressed students at M.S.U. there will be Chefs. – Viva les Chefs!” State News: An accounting professor was hit in the face with two pies while teaching a class in B-102 Wells Hall, Friday afternoon, campus police said. Witnesses said John Gardner was hit by two white males while as many as 800 people watched. The incident took place in front of 100 students attending the lecture and 700 additional people who were viewing the class on closed circuit television. After hitting the instructor the two men fled through the west doors of the room and were taken away by a waiting car, police said.” Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:04:51 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14937/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14938/view Read all about the good old days at aweartworx.com look in the comic book section under the ‘Chefs” Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:09:48 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14938/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14939/view This is good news…actions need to have consequences…I hope they are able to determine others who were involved! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:16:26 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14939/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14940/view YEA..nail em all and clean house. No respect for MSU... throw out the bums. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:17:31 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14940/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14944/view The dude needs to read: “The last couple times “riots” have occured, the university did nothing.” Are you serious? People were expelled after the 1999, 2003, and 2005 incidents. The dude needs to read: “and if they did it was not very well announced.” Or maybe you just weren’t paying attention when it was. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:26:29 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14944/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14945/view I do not support what a few of the “revelers” (I hate that word) did by provoking the police, however, not a single person has been convicted in court of their offenses, including the ones that were suspended. I always thought it was innocent until proven guilty. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:28:01 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14945/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14948/view If you think assalting Proffesors with pies is funny, think agian. I witnessed one of the Chefs attacks back in 1980. As a result I was forced into years of therepy after my nervious breakdown. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:35:18 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14948/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14949/view You drunken buffons. If you’re going to riot, riot over something worthwhile: China/Tibet. Sudan. The Iraq War. Foreclosures. Granholm. You make our school look stupid. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:36:18 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14949/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14952/view Let’s see their mugshots, eh? Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:39:49 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14952/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14953/view Kimba I know you. You were no buffon, but you were a drunkard. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:50:34 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14953/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14956/view You, great Caesar, were an enabler. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:00:13 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14956/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14958/view kimba: you are ignorant. we gathered to celebrate the end of a long winter and the birth of spring, not to “riot”. you and everybody else that is making this out to be a pre-meditated act of violence need to shut the hell up. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:03:25 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14958/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14960/view I don’t understand how a riot that involved some MSU students could “degrade the quality of our degree,” or whatever it is that people are complaining about. In your haste to seek vengeance on those who are supposedly spoiling your bright future, how about you stop and think that the police, although restrained, acted under extreme stress and pressure, and may have arrested some people who did not deserve it. Maybe you fascist pigs should have talked to some of the ACLU observers who were at Cedarfest, you might have learned a thing or two about something called personal liberty. “Its about time.” Please. Idiots. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:05:19 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14960/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14968/view Spartan: Every spring the trees are filled with underwear. Every fall the toilets explode. And every time, it’s only MSU – not any other school – that celebrates the “birth of spring” with the Dionysian pageantry of a riot that makes worldwide headlines and embarrasses alumni. I can’t wait when you’re at an interview and the first thing the interviewer asks is about the riots. Eat me. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:27:15 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14968/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14973/view Let those that dig who dig be dug! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:32:44 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14973/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14978/view Jeff – I can’t believe you don’t have the common sense to realize that riots degrade the university, and it has a butterfly effect of negativity. Being on the front page of newspapers and on the news is bad for MSU...it doesn’t help with sports recruiting, monetary donations, incoming freshman recruiting, grant money from the state, having world renowned profs come here, or with companies wanting to give students internships/jobs after graduation. All of these things will have negative impacts on the University, not to mention TUITION. For people to say that we only have our party reputation and that is why people come here? There are people who are proud to go here that got a Supply Chain Management or Packaging, or Agricultural degree (all ranked #1 in nation), or teaching…..the list is long, and these are the things we should be concentrating on being recognized for, not on partying…and I think that the best thing about MSU grads is that we’re competant, but not full of ourselves, and yes we do know how to have a good time….that is one thing that people always get so annoyed with at U of M, is how full of it they are. and for some of the people and their spelling in these blogs, I understand there isn’t a spell check, but people are using the wrong versions of to, too, and two, or there, they’re, and their…..it is definitely a good thing that minimum wage has increased recently, because anyone with spelling like that on a resume won’t be getting hired by anyone, except maybe The King, or Ronald McDonald. Can people stop saying that the police are to blame for this riot? Can anyone give me a logical explanation as to why the cops would want a riot to break out? So they can use their use toys? That is BS. It makes them look bad to have riots during their service….it makes them look like they don’t have any control and can’t maintain order in the city. Do I think the police are perfect? No, but c’mon…no one wants crap like this to happen on their watch. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:05:57 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14978/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14979/view People need to realize there are consequences to their actions. This isn’t like a video game, where if it starts to suck, you can hit “reset.” There is no “reset” in life, and you need to be smart about the things you do. Does it suck for the people who are getting suspended? of course….but they made that choice not to leave when the cops told people to take a hike! I don’t think that the majority of the people that were at Cedar fest were troublemakers….BUT, when the cops tell you to leave….you should (DUH!) leave!!!! I agree with Jeff that the riots doesn’t degrade the quality of our degrees, and they aren’t related topics…BUT, I also agree with Jen, because the riots do degrade the PERCEPTION of the quality of our degrees…and a lot of times, perception is reality. I predict a lot of people after graduation will be working minimum wage jobs, and/or living in their parent’s depreciating houses. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:14:45 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14979/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14981/view 1. This was a block party until the (fun) police showed up and created expectations by wearing their riot gear. 2. ELPD and the city of East Lansing need to start treating the students with respect. The riot was a direct result of us getting treated like sh-t by them for far too long. Kids don’t throw bricks at people they respect. 3. This isn’t going to ruin anybody’s chances at getting a job – your low GPA, lack of internships, and poor interview skills do that. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:18:04 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14981/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14986/view first our future jobs will be gone, then when we are reduced to operating toll booths we wont even be able to take our families out to dinner at mcdonalds, because they’ll notice our spartan t-shirt and kick us out… then once we have burned our meaningless degree we will finally understand: the actions of these eleven arrested have RUINED our lives. it wont be long until msu becomes one vast network of homeless shelters for the students it once “educated.” i may as well collapse into a life of welfare and heavy drug use… Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:01:45 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14986/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14987/view ...or maybe this isnt that big of a deal. i cant make up my mind. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:02:59 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14987/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14988/view Too bad that those appeals to the Vice President is like appealing to a turd in a toilet bowl. Lee June is completely worthless. In my opinion, I don’t think he is capable of even reading an appeal, and certainly won’t be able to comprehend one and render a worthwhile opinion. God help these kids. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:14:55 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14988/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14993/view “I predict a lot of people after graduation will be working minimum wage jobs, and/or living in their parent’s depreciating houses.” ???????????????? Because of a riot? Speak for yourself Brian. If you’re anybody wanting to go anywhere, you will. I know for damn sure I wont be working a minimum wage job because of a riot. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:51:56 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14993/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14996/view It’s utterly amazing that some people are still blaming this on the cops. Grow up and take responsibility! I hate the cops too, but come on, there’s no blaming this one on them. Idiots. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:21:18 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/14996/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15001/view Sorry, I should have been more specific about who will be working the minimum wage jobs….I was agreeing with Jen….the people who can’t spell….if they have the wrong to, too, and two, or there and their on their resumes, they will not be able to get decent jobs…because when employers see gramatical errors on resumes, the resume gets thrown in the trash. Plain and simple. Also, for those people who were able to get an interview in spite of their poor spelling/grammer, if an interviewee was talking about the riots at MSU, and then blamed the whole thing on the cops, they would look like complete losers. and when they don’t get the jobs…they will be forced to move back in with their parents. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:29:54 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15001/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15004/view The fun police were there the whole day giving out tickets to people doing illegal activities. Then later at night when the situation turned with 50 or so drunk asses throwing bricks and bottles, the police had to act. When 80 police officers get hit with objects, it has gone way too far. I’m sorry that some people cannot handle what they drink without turning to violence. As for being treated with respect? It has been over 2 years since the police have done anything wrong. It is people like you, who were probably on the front line screaming “we want tear gas” because you think it’s a badge of honor. Good job. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:45:00 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15004/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15008/view “grammar” Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:48:50 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15008/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15009/view As someone who spent 4 years at Michigan State there is an amount of students (guessing under 10%) who act like immature morons when they drink, suddenly filled with rage and the sheer desire to rile things up – especially with police. I couldn’t believe how many times I’ve heard people actually want to be around when tear gas was deployed. But alas as reported this time like every other, only about half (28 of the fifty-some arrests) were actually MSU students. It blows my mind how many twenty-somethings act like complete fools but don’t believe in consequences…grow up! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:54:40 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15009/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15010/view Off with their heads I say! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:05:46 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15010/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15012/view To the poster who made the comment above about the police needing to start respecting the students…respect is something you earn. If everything was peaceful and it was the police showing up in riot gear that started everything, the people involved do not deserve respect. Throwing bottles at the police is and other people is horrible. The police are not to blame for this!!! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:21:27 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15012/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15019/view I graduated from MSU in 96. I wasn’t at Cedarfest…sure sounds like fun. My Monday at work was not nearly as fun. I had to listen to all of this sh*t from my co-workers. I’m sure you don’t care to much about that and I should just get over it, maybe you’re right. I’m also responsible for doing our departments college recruiting. We will not be going back to MSU in the near future (get over it). To the individual who wrote: “Kids don’t throw bricks at people they respect.” ...so I have to earn the respect of a drunken idiot or else you will throw a brick at me? Sounds like a lose-lose proposition. Possibly worst of all…YOU HAVE ME SIDING WITH ELPD!!! I couldn’t stand them and their treatment of students when I was at State (and why I could get a ticket for p*ssing in the bushes, yet their horses could sh*t anywhere). Yet after watching the videos on Youtube, I see nothing that the ELPD did wrong. Anyways, hope you had fun. You gave the city the final excuse they need to raze Cedar Village, goodbye welcome week and you will not be working for our company in the future. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:10:30 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15019/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15026/view fucking police. fucking standards, principles, and quotas. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:35:34 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15026/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15027/view Another MSUAlum, what you said in your post is what has me so frustrated by this whole ordeal. MSU has 40,000+ students, and only 3,000 of them were at this event. Way less than that were responsible for the actions. However, the entire campus will be feeling the aftermath when future employers look down upon MSU. It’s so unfortunate for those of us who weren’t even there, let alone even in Michigan (I was gone this past weekend), when this all happened. Thanks to all those of you who have caused damage for the rest of us. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:45:13 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15027/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15031/view Excellent. Glad to see the school sticking to their guns. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:06:18 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15031/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15041/view Fredrik- I can only laugh at you….quotas. Oh yes, the cops had a quota this year that they must respond to at least one riot. Thank goodness they met their quota and now they can all get a big fat bonus during times of budget worries. You sound so dumb! Real mature of the people that are blaming the police and claiming they showed up in riot gear. They were in their regular uniforms until the bottles started flying around 11pm. They didn’t actually put their gas masks until sometime around 2am. How did they intice this again? For those of you claiming that this wasn’t a planned riot, I have tons of documentation from Facebook where people were planning to start a riot and wanted to get tear gassed. Hmmm…wasn’t it the 1,000 or so morons that were chanting “we want gas?” I don’t think the police were chanting “we want to gas you.” DUH!!!! Join the military and do something honorable and noble if you want to be gassed so bad…ya wussies!!! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:14:44 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15041/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15058/view “I’m also responsible for doing our departments college recruiting. We will not be going back to MSU in the near future (get over it).” Good. I wouldn’t want to work for someone who can’t grasp the concept that not all MSU students are rotten apples, even though 28 of them were arrested. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:24:07 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15058/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15069/view Well they the rioters and there supporters wanted to experience and grow as adults…WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.....when you infringe on others you do the time. Glad I dont live on Cedar Street. Sad for all the good students and my alma mater. Will sure be raising hell with my state senator to cut my tax dollars going to MSU and other Party Schools. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:26:56 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15069/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15071/view I Laugh at You has hit the baseball right otta the park. ATTA Boy or Atta Girl you hit it right on the ball. Army, Navy, AF, and Marines are looking for some good men…....by the by they dont recruit fellons and rioters…they take the cream of our society who earn there right to live here. What to do the right thing…thank a vet, if hes an old fart..give him a hug, if hes a she and a babe..hug her too. They have earned the right to walk our streets. If you run into a rioter crack a fart thats all they have earned. I hope there folks and grandparents are proud…i know i would be proud of my kids or grandkids for being drunken A—es. Sparrow would have to surgically remove my size 9 combat boot from their posterier. For the MSU Liberals..that means their friggen ass. Kudos for publishing the names…they cant lie to mom and dad and the rest of the relatives, now enforce the suspensions, take away the grants and loans. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:35:21 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15071/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15078/view I too have felt the repercussions of this group’s actions at the workplace. This is an embarrassment to all Spartans whether they are alumni, parents, or students. The small population of students who took place in Cedar Fest have each contributed to the mud that has been slung over our university’s name. MSU is a great school and a great time, but for all of those seniors and juniors looking for jobs or internships—you had better be prepared to face the question of this matter in your interviews, whether you were involved or not. Those students—and especially non-students—who were involved have ruined a lot of opportunities for your fellow Spartans. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:24 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15078/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15081/view Dear Recruiter: If you worked for me I would fire you immediately for putting the company in jeopardy. You have absolutely no decision making abilities at all. In your comment you would exclude an entire population of potential employees due to the actions of less then .0007% of that group. I won’t even mention your complete lack of loyalty to MSU. Somehow I seriously doubt you’re really a recruiter, they wouldn’t make such an ignorant comment. My guess is you probably work in the stockroom, no judgement required there. On second thought, I don’t want to insult the guys working hard and they do need to determine size and weights, etc. and I doubt you’d be up to the task. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:05:54 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15081/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15083/view Yup and thats why we businessmen dont offer jobs to MSU drunks like Freddy…Fredrick. Thats the attitude thats ruining your image and job chances fellow spartans. Rat the bums out or they will take you down to there level the gutter. If you cant be an adult…then stop talking to them, dont have a thing to do with em…let em sink to the Welfare State. They have destroyed your start in life and deserve strong payback. The Spartan Way. Send em home without there shield. Not with it and not on it..without it. And how come none of the arrested babes have been charged yet. Discrimination….plenty of pictures of babes in handcuffs….where are there names and charges. How come just male drunks. All the papers had babes in cuffs? E Lansing and MSU going easy on em. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:17:08 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15083/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15088/view In response to S’10’s note a while back where he said “This was a block party until the (fun) police showed up and created expectations by wearing their riot gear.” Isn’t that the same as saying that a girl who was raped got what she deserved because she was wearing a short skirt? So a riot broke out because the cops looked too intimidating? Really? Also, the whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing only applies to judicial proceedings. Employers, schools, etc can toss you for just about anything they please (with exceptions like race, sex, etc). That’s why the NFL can suspend Chris Henry or Pacman Jones before they’ve even had their day in court. Same with MSU and students. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:33:03 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15088/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15089/view Good, if found guilty they should be expelled. The few bad students out there need to grow up and face the consequences of their actions. They’ve done enough to harm MSU’s reputation — which hurts everyone associated with the University. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:39:35 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15089/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15099/view The drunks of today are the people in rehab later. Be smart! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:09:32 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15099/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15100/view The idea that MSU is a party college did not happen over night, it was a gift handed down from all of the lame alum posting on here. It is amusing that they all feel the need to come back to the snews message board to wag their fingers at the student population. Is this your idea of giving back to the university? Get back to your jobs douche bags and quit crying about a reputation you helped create. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:10:48 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15100/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15110/view Gunny. It’s T-H-E-I-R. Get it together. I don’t feel bad about being an “MSU Liberal” since it means I actually know how to write. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:43:22 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15110/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15116/view “The idea that MSU is a party college did not happen over night, it was a gift handed down from all of the lame alum posting on here” True to a point…we all had fun at MSU, but there is an unwritten rule: DON’T END UP ON CNN!!! Even the “riots” in 2005 could be defended by pointing people to Youtube and show them police excesses. Even if you are convinced that the students did nothing wrong (police caused riot argument); you have to admit it was stupid. Chantting “We want gas”? That’s idiotic and it makes the rest of the student population look bad. And don’t try that only 28 people argument…more than 28 people were chanting. I know it was only a small population, but that small population needs to learn accountability…it’s not the ELPD, alumni, MSU admins, City Council, media, facebook, etc fault for the riots; it’s yours. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:27:31 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15116/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15117/view I’m curious where all of the alumni and residents of EL get off insulting fellow Spartans…this is embarrassing! Let me be very clear, I think the students involved made some very poor judgements and deserve what they have coming, BUT it is part of our job as alumni to SUPPORT our university through good AND bad times, not add to the insult coming from the outside world. That is destructive to the Spartan community! If you are all truly concerned about the image of the university because of an event like this, I ask what you are personally doing to give back to MSU make a change for the future (sorry, but complaining on a SN forum doesn’t count). Have some pride and quit bashing your school. GO GREEN! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:30:53 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15117/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15123/view Alum07, I think (I hope) you are misinterepting the alumni comments. I like to believe that all alumni support the university (and most of the students), but the actions of those that contributed to this and those that refuse accountability should not be supported. I don’t think it’s right to call out the alumni commitment to the university…as a student, I held numerous university jobs including AOP RP (still have parts of the bus tour memorized). I go back to the university every year, was married there, make donations…I bleed Green…so I think I have the right to be concerned about the university image. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:47:16 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15123/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15124/view Expel those who disgraced our university, immediately. They must learn a tough life lesson of the consequence for their actions. That’s what’s college is about. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:50:01 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15124/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15126/view Check out the suspect photos – if you recognize anyone – $20,000 reward! http://www.cityofeastlansing.com/cedarfest/ Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:04:32 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15126/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15140/view It’s the cops fault. Instead of giving tickets, helping grad students cross the street, or polishing their stinkin’ badges they had to incite a riot! Stinkin’ cops. They’ll get theirs in the afterlife – Hell’s damnation! http://www.aweartworx.com/the_chefs_page.htm Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:18:08 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15140/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15145/view Double-secret probation has begun. Next: TO-GA, TO-GA, TO-GA, TO-GA, TO-GA, TO-GA, TO-GA, TO-GA .. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:08:08 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15145/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15153/view For those of you students who don’t have any real world job experience yet (and from some of your comments about “well, you must not be a good worker if people are saying things to you, your work should speak volumes, or I wouldn’t hire you anyways)....just wait. When you have a job where you have to work a minimum 40 hours/week (unlike the 15 hours of credits each week, assuming you don’t skip)...the last thing you want to have happen is work your butt off, and then have to come into work Monday morning to have some punk U of M wolverine, or someone from a MAC college making some rude comments about the riots at work. NOT a fun way to start a Monday. and then to go to statenews.com and having naive students act like they know what it’s like in the business world…it is frustrating. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:52:00 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15153/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15157/view I am the best golfer this planet has ever seen and I was at cedar fest. I really can’t relate with you people. In the time it took me to type this I made more money than all you combined! However,I will be at the career fair this summer looking for potential caddies so keep your reusmes updated. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:00:51 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15157/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15158/view I am a MSU and UM grad and have set up endowed scholarships at both schools. If you think school reputation isn’t important and that alumni contributions aren’t impacted by this kind of bad publicity you are delusional. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:05:06 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15158/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15190/view I would just like to know why the names of these six people could not be published, when the writers of this paper printed the names of the four people who face arraignment?? And these six people have their names and photographs publicly available on the city of East Lansing website: http://www.cityofeastlansing.com/cedarfest/ Obviously anyone who wanted to find out who these offenders are, can do a quick search online to find them. So why be so secretive?? Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:18:53 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15190/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15205/view Suspended will look great on a college transcript. Most recruiters look at them. I bet at least 12 parents are real proud. Recommend the suspendees go to INDIANA...its a great state. Most Mich. jobs are there. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:34:17 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15205/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15226/view Leave it to you people to make a big deal out of what is, essentially, nothing. Do you have nothing going on in your own lives to worry about? Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:39:12 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15226/view http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15249/view Hey Jen, You don’t have the right to not be offended. People confuse their wants with their rights. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:55:12 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/15249/view