http://statenews.com Many MSU students were upset with the MSU Board of Trustees when it voted to allow those with concealed weapons permits to carry a firearm on campus in June. But a new bill proposed in the Michigan Legislature might anger students even more. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:03:19 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47048 First, I think that the MSU regulations on guns is largely influenced by the new shooting facility on campus. And, honestly, I don’t care about this. People read that you are allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus, but they are not aware of other regulations and conditions for this to be true. Second, this is another demonstration of how the state wants all the control but none of the responsibility nor support of its agencies. A way for lawmakers to make money and to keep control since everything positive is to their credit and all the negative is not their fault. Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:45:36 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47048 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47059 Most lawmakers are attorneys, they could make a hell of a lot more money being just that, attorneys! So, get real, they are just representatives of their districts, nothing less, nothing more. Secondly, while you’re at it, why not give the Board of Trustees the right to regulate breathing on campus? And how about procreation? How about how often you flush the toilet in a week? How about we regulate the demographics and skin pigmentation of students? (oh wait, they already do that illegally against the michigan constitution’s mandate against affirmative action). Do you think the Virginia Tech and Columbine shooters bothered to get permits for their concealed guns on campus? The only difference with coming legislation is that law abiding citizens will be able to defend their own body with their own legitimate constitutional means without fear of bogus fines, penalties, or jail-time for doing so. Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:06:10 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47059 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47060 Finally, the autonomy of MSU is intended to be purely academic and intellectual, not when it comes to basic human rights (the right to defend oneself with deadly force if necessary). MSU is a public institution receiving over $287 million in State of Michigan funds, collected from the first 4% of sales taxes, all income taxes, lotteries, business taxes, and fees collected from every single Resident of Michigan. Therefore, they cede their financial and legislative autonomy by receiving public monies. Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:10:29 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47060 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47061 For the record, I support affirmative action based on financial grounds only. If you were born into poor white trash in Appalachia, I do not believe for a microsecond that you have any advantage whatsoever over Barack Hussein Obama’s children who currently attend a private school. Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:14:14 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47061 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47066 J, Most of the lawmakers are also attorneys and they could make more money in that profession, but they don’t and there a reasons for that. The main reason is that the combination of prestige, power and financial remuneration is more satisfying for them than just a private law practice. They don’t get as much as money as they would in the private practice but the combination of the salary and other factors is much more attractive, as well as the opportunities after public service. So, although there are good lawmakers, the vast majority has personal goals and doesn’t have intentions of improving the common good. Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:31:09 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47066 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47087 I agree entirely, J. The application of affirmative action toward ethnic delineation, rather than socio-economic status, is necessarily counter-productive in the realm of equality. Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:04:39 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47087 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47103 NOTE: Attorneys don’t make anywhere near what folks want to think they do… Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:54:18 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47103 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47112 This editorial didn’t answer one basic question. Why does the SN editorial board think it is OK for people to be forced to sacrifice their state and federal rights simply because they set foot on the MSU campus? Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:58:43 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47112 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47118 Those anti-gunners who wish for only criminals to be able to carry on campus are murderers, each and every one of them. When will you uninformed liberals/lemmings learn? Those who seek to disarm the innocent and law-abiding are the necessary accessory, without which the terrorist (or school psycho gunman) would be far less successful. I don’t give a CRAP if you don’t like guns – They are HERE TO STAY – we have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of them and they will always be in the hands of both the law abiding, and the criminals. Get real, deal with the facts, stop irrationally hating guns. Most students are too young to even have a valid opinion on this – They are basically acting on the prejudices instilled in them by their parents. Anti-gun = PRO CRIMINAL. Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:47:53 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47118 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47132 are you allowed to have weapons in civil buildings? courthouses, fire stations, the capital, etc? Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:08:01 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47132 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47136 Matt…yes, with a CPL you can carry in a firehouse, the capital, and all govt buildings except for courthouses…even police stations. Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:59:13 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47136 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47217 I was surprised to learn that I am a murderer. But maybe I am just the last to know. OK, murderers are felons and felons are disarmed, so I can’t have a gun on campus anyway. I guess we have to let these gun owners have their way. I look forward to seeing guns in all the sports areas. It will bring a new meaning to those empty words, “sudden-death playoff.” Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:25:15 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47217 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47224 Love the 2nd Amend. I have guns and most likely always will but I think there are places they don’t belong, campuses are one of them. As for the “law abiding” gun carrying citizens. If you want a real eye opener go to a gun show and check out all the right wing circus freaks that are drawn to them. I don’t want 90% of those clowns getting anywhere near a loaded gun. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:27:28 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47224 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47230 beau, Yeah, because good public policy should always be based on one’s impression of others. What next, suggesting those “freaks” should be counted as three-fifths of a person in the 2010 census? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:01:48 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47230 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47232 Not every one Todd, just you and I. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:41:30 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47232 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47257 RC….by state law people with CPL’s are prohibited from carrying weapons into any facility with a seating capacity over 2500…so you don’t have to worry about concealed weapons at sporting events. The law allowing CPL holders to carry their weapons on campus will NOT override that. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:47:53 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47257 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47266 RC River, armed murderous felons are not disarmed, they are armed illegally – Are you one of those idiots that think criminals follow the law? Ha. People need to chill out. This bill doesn’t mean there will be ANY more guns on campus than their ALREADY ARE – The people who carry concealed have to leave their guns in their cars right now, when they go to class. This law just means that they can carry their gun the additional 30 feet or so, from the hallway outside the classroom into the classroom itself. Also, beau’s impression of gun show people is partially correct – Those shows tend to attract “nuts”. Now, does that mean gun owners are nuts? NO. Thinking like that is as dumb as saying that all muslims are terrorists, because all terrorists in iraq are muslims. Idiocy. Get real. This regulation is such a minor change, and yet the gun-shy morons think it’s suddenly going to become the wild west. You idiots need to stop watching violent hollywood movies, it’s damaging your brain and your perception of reality. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:13:51 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47266 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47298 This is the pedagogical opportunity dreams are made of. If a student doesn’t pay attention, the prof can pull out his Colt .45 and shoot the i-Pod out of the derelict student’s hands. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:20:29 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47298 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47367 The point of the state law superseding local laws is so that when you cross county lines (or in this case campus boundary lines) the laws are not drastically changing. It is for the consistency of applying the law. Furthermore, if a law abiding citizen has a concealed weapons permit – they have gone through the training necessary by law, and one can reasonably assume they can handle their weapon and be responsible with it. I’d rather have good people with guns on our state’s campuses in the event that we are to find ourselves, god forbid, in a Va.Tech situation. Instead of banning firearms which are and can be used for self-defense, and further letting the local governments restrict our constitutional and hallowed right to bear arms educate yourselves about firearms and promote our rights. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:41:14 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47367 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47398 You should be ashamed of yourselves! anyone that buys a gun is a baby killer and a racist! you know how many children are shot because stupid parents cant use a safety is makes me sick! and everyone knows that guns are given to people in lower income areas to wipe out their population. its genocide of financially disabled individuals! you really want to support something like that? DO YOU!! Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:43:03 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47398 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47440 Really Baby Killer??? you, my friend, are perhaps the least informed person on this page. Geocide of the Financially Disabled? then why do we have welfare for them? Go read a book, or a newspaper… if you CAN read. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:03:19 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47440