Wilcox's comments on classes disrespectful to students
(Last updated: 09/29/09 8:52pm)After reading Officials plan more Friday classes next school year (SN 9/27), I was appalled by Provost Kim Wilcox’s comment on the seriousness of students at MSU.
His characterization that students who do not have Friday class are somehow less “serious” is offensive to current students and makes us sound lazy. His comment that “I hope we recruit more serious students to MSU than those who schedule time based on getting Fridays off,” is off-base and lacks an understanding regarding what it takes to be a student and manage time.
The college workload and class contact time dictates that some days you will not be in class, but you will need to use that time to manage your work accordingly.
Does it really matter what day you have off? I am a student taking 17 credits this semester who does not have Friday class and I will be the first to say I take my education here at MSU very seriously. I use my Fridays to work on homework — just like any other weekday — and to do assignments for my online class that I would not have time to do during the week due to other classes.
Not having a Friday class allows some students to travel home or work so they can pay their tuition. If that’s not taking their education seriously, I’m not sure what is.
I would strongly hope that in the future Mr. Wilcox thinks before generalizing students here at MSU because, after all, isn’t my “serious” approach toward my education supporting his career?
Kylie O’Brien
journalism sophomore
Originally Published: 09/29/09 7:22pm
















student
09/29/09 7:27pmKylie, I can see you are only a sophomore. You have no idea the amount of fellow students that choose classes on the basis of their schedule and not of their interests. And by “on the basis of their schedule” I mean that they choose those classes that are more comfortable for them to have one or various days a week free to hit the social scene. As immature as it is, that’s the reality.
disrespected students
09/29/09 9:41pmfirst of all “student” above me you are just wrong. some people choose it for a longer weekend, yes. but what is wrong with that!? are you trying to tell me that taking 17 credits means you dont have a social life or dont need to de-stress? most people perform better on tests and academic material when not stressed. plus, you think its just students? what about the professors who do it?
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disrespected students
09/29/09 9:43pmoh, and btw, the person who just wrote the above statement is a graduating senior
Ryan
09/29/09 9:44pmI realize that some students do try to take Fridays off because of what “student” calls the “social scene,” but as a Junior Journalism major I can say that there are also some students who use that time for A. jobs that pay bills B. homework C. internships
D. Studying for Exams, LSATS, MCATS, MRE’s, etc.
and E. Anything Else I forgot.
Kylie
09/29/09 9:46pmstudent,
...I definitely agree with what you’re saying but I think you’re missing my main point here. I was more concerned with the way Wilcox said his comment than whether or not we have Friday class. I thought his comment was rude and ignored the fact that just because my classes are offered Monday through Thursday, I am somehow less of a serious student than students who do have Friday class.
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M
09/29/09 10:13pmI agree that this is disrespectful, but there are a number of other reasons this is a big deal. First of all, let me preface this that I am a PhD. student here and this is my 7th year at MSU (many of which I did not have Friday classes).
Students don’t want to take Friday classes, correct. It’s not because of laziness, it’s because of flexibility.
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Stacie
09/29/09 10:16pmI think Kylie is absolutely correct. Although the administration may have had some decent points as to why Friday classes may be useful, Wilcox’s comment is just plain rude. As tuition steadily rises we are students still here instead of any university, still trying to get by without loans crushing us, and certainly still trying to get our diploma in this very difficult time. No matter what day we have our classes or what we’re doing with our free time, we’re still Spartans and last time I checked the administration is being paid very well to support us.
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student
09/30/09 12:04amDear disrespected students,
I find a lot of pleasure in telling you that I have taken 15-18 credits and I will graduate next year. I’ve had internships/jobs during every summer of my high school and college career. I have taken classes that I find interesting besides the requirements. I will go to grad school in two years. Finally, even though tuition increases, I will pay less because you will keep prolonging your education to find space for a job.
OK.
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Jason
09/30/09 12:10pmstudent-
...Your lecture, that’s what it sounded like, to disrespected students appears misplaced since he/she stated they are a graduating senior. Your views also appear rather narrow.
For instance the recommendation that people not work because it will be cheaper to graduate earlier ignores the fact that many students have no choice but to work. Whether it is to pay rent, car payment etc.
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Zeke
09/30/09 12:27pmKylie, you’re misunderstanding what Wilcox was saying. The article talked about students who might take offense about having to schedule a class on a Friday. Wilcox is responding that he hopes that MSU students are the calibre that put studies first and won’t piss and moan about a class being on a Friday. He isn’t insulting those who don’t, but rather voicing his hope that MSU students are mature enough to accept more Friday classes without whining.
Judging from some of the responses, I think he was wrong.
Alum
09/30/09 1:51pmStudent,
You are oversimplifying things. It is by no means a foregone conclusion that because you do not have class on Fridays you will not graduate on time or even early. In undergrad I worked a job where I made the most money on weekends, including working Fridays in the morning, afternoon and night time. I simply had to schedule more classes during the week to graduate in 4 years. But, I needed the money and deliberately did not schedule classes on Fridays for at least half of my 4 years at State. considering I recently graduated law school, I don’t think taking Fridays off made me any less of a student.
Alum2
09/30/09 2:57pmStudents,
If you’re getting your panties in a bunch over some administrator suggesting that students are lazy for not taking Friday classes, you are going to have a rude awakening upon entering the workforce.
Teacher
09/30/09 7:40pmAll right class, stop throwing paper airplanes. If you’re all good and finish your homework tonight, I’ll let you have class off on Fridays so you can attend to the more pressing business of jello shots and contracting sexually transmitted diseases form sorority girls.
MSUAlum2001
10/01/09 4:36pmI think Zeke hits the nail on head. He isn’t calling those who don’t take Friday classes lazy and not serious students. You kiddies are way too sensitive.
And obviously NONE of the ones on here bitching are Nat Sci, or Engineering majors. Go talk to your friends in those colleges, they’re pretty much stuck with MWF classes every semester of their college career! And then in a lot of the upper level classes, they get a 3 hour lab on Tue. or Thurs. to boot!
disrespected students
10/02/09 11:46amto student:
please refer to Jason and alum.
I. you still are completely missing the point.
II. I am actually graduating a semester early and have taken nothing less than 15 credits each semester. I have also taken summer classes while working full time. and I have no choice but to work because my daddy and/or the government doesnt pay for my college.
wrong direction
10/02/09 11:49amto zeke and msualum2001:
i think you need to read what M wrote down above stacie. his example is fairly narrow and may not apply to many people but everyone has their own reasons and what wilcox said was disrespectful to the student body in general whether they are people with or without friday classes.
Erin
10/02/09 2:05pmdisrespected students:
“it doesnt matter if you are the student who works 2 jobs, takes more than a full course load every semester, volunteers, does research with a professor,and needs to study for the GRE, or if you are the student who has everything paid for and only needs to graduate what the provost said is disrespectful. “
I agree with this.
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