Discrimination against same-sex couples shouldn't be tolerated

This issue is a dead horse. It should have remained a dead horse the first time that the voters of California killed it. The California Supreme Court then ruled that the horse was not, in fact dead, so the California voters shot the horse again just to make sure. The gay rights movement has, of course, formally declared that no horse is to dead to beat and is behaving accordingly.

Here’s an idea. Why don’t we forget that Prop 8. was to amend the California Constitution to prohibit gay marriage. Stop and think for a second what the gay rights movement is asking the Court to do. By asking it to strike down a part of the state constitution, they are effectively inviting the California Supreme Court to rule that they have authority superior to that of the laws of California and are free to ignore even the state constitution if they disagree with the manner in which an amendment is passed (notwithstanding that provisions for amending the constitution are contained within the constitution)

If a state supreme court has the power to ignore a state constitution, what then is to stop the US Supreme Court from following that precedent and making a ruling that the 13th and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution, for example, were invalid because both were adopted by states being threatened with force. Obvious something like that would never happen, but the precedent it sets is a dangerous one.

If gay rights organizations and leftists push for this precedent from the California Supreme Court, they may really wish they hadn’t a few years from now when a ruling like this comes back to bite them on an issue where the court is not so far to the left.

I am not a “well-off conservative.”

I voted for Obama and largely democratic.

I have a deep conviction about the Christian faith.

I do not condone gay marriage.

I think homosexuals are people just like me—imperfect but loved.

What does that make me?

We should be careful about generalizations, Matthew.

JVD

The California Supreme Court isn’t the only way to overturn Prop 8. SCOTUS has overturned provisions of state constitutions before. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if a California case ended up there in the next few years. Certainly if the California Supreme Court overturns Prop 8 somebody or other will go to SCOTUS.

So your claim that legal anarchy will ensue should the California Supreme Court rule on the matter is kinda dead in the water.

J-Money: “He assumes that “well off conservatives” are automatically religious, and that the religious people are automatically anti-gay.”

Really? Where in is letter does he state those assumptions?
If you read the letter by the Matt, Audrey, and Jaylan, it is quite obvious that they are both religious and anti-gay. However, Matthew does did not lump all religious people into that category.

If he is a bigot, then you’re a figot.

Satan forbid we should discuss an issue of gays or guns w/out our dear friend Dyke getting his 2-cents in.

Live from my mother’s basement, it’s Jason Van Dick!

But of course you can’t discuss anything without me! I’m a a self-proclaimed expert on everything! And I have to teach you evil, evil liberals a lesson every chance I get because you bastards got me kicked out of MSU! Not me! You! It’s not like I was transporting a weapon across campus for no good reason.

That and I miss my boyfriend Kyle Bristow. We had a good thing going until you screwed it up, making sweet love until daybreak. We where going to marry someday. Then you broke us apart! If I can’t marry Kyle then screw the lot of you! No one will marry! Muhahahahahaha!!!!!!

If you don’t support gay marriage, don’t marry someone of the same sex. Attend a church that doesn’t perform or recognize gay marriages. But your personal religious beliefs should not interfere with government recognition of anyone else’s marriage.

On top of that, if someone truly believes ‘homosexuals are just as sinful as everyone else’, then why do they take special care to limit homosexuality. Isn’t it the same as eating unclean meat or mixing fabrics? This is a biblical law that we leave up to personal choice. Some people choose to follow it, some people don’t. Of course, this is somewhat different from homosexuality because people have sexual orientations which determine who they attracted to and want to have relationships with (vs. just about everyone loves bacon). So I guess I am bothered by Christians who single out gays. Why do they do that?

Note to the state news: please start publishing other editorials, I am really sick of the back and forth of this topic.

What? No!!!!!! Being against gay marriage is my bread and butter, my reason for being! You can’t do that! All I’ll have left is defending guns! No!!!!!!

I would pay good money to see Jason and Kyle in the arms of passion!

Really? How much are we talking here? I’ll need at least enough to buy a one-way ticket to MSU to be with my sweet, sweet Kyle.

Let the gays be gay here on Earth as much as they want to. When I die and go to Heaven with God I know that the gays won’t be there. I’m willing to deal with living on Earth with gays because I know I’ll be spending an eternity later without them.

To all the gays…I forgive you…

Is anyone going to mention the biggest group supporting Prop 8 was the Mormon Church? So there goes all the “slippery slope” arguments against allowing polygamy next and even the arguments against the sanctity of marriage.

I said it yesterday and I said it again, gays don’t want to be included in the religious instituion of marriage. They want to enjoy the civil instituion of marriage and the rights afforded from said civil arrangement by the governmnet. If the only argument against gay marriage is coming from the church, should we be allowing it to influence governmnet policy? My opinion will always be no as our Constitution explicitly defines a separation of church and state.

If churches don’t want to marry gays, that is their right, but to strip gays of the civil institution and the legal rights it provides is unconstitutional.

To “Catholic and Proud of it”: I would rather spend eternity in hell with the gays than in heaven with jerks like you.

Re: Catholic and Proud Of It

So you think that the masturbators and swearers and people who are disrespectful of their elders or have sex before they get married won’t be in heaven either? Because my priest taught me that a little pennance and some purgatory will get you there in time. I agree with the premise of ‘let god deal with it’, but i don’t think you should be telling everyone who is and isn’t getting to heaven. that’s called blasphemy.

Simply put, discrimination should not be written into the state constitution. This is American folks. Majority rules but does not have the ability to take rights away from minorities or make them “less equal”. The constitution exists to protect those that decide to march against the status quo.

“Can you feel the civic pride and love of democracy in his post?”

The YAF here aren’t into democracy. They’ve stated several times that they think Democracy is for chumps, and think there should be a poll tax and intelligence test to keep dumb people from voting. And while that last bit might sound great, you have to wonder where the line between ‘stupid’ and ‘not stupid’ is going to be drawn, and by whom.

The good news is that the reign of error will soon be over

From Kyle’s part, anyway. We’ll probably still get buzz-bombed by JVD because he’s got nothing better to do.