YAF is not anti-semitic group, speaker beneficial

I read J. Edward Tremlett’s “Campus Speaker Reinforces YAF’s ‘Hate Group’ Status” (SN 10/24/07) letter

(Oh my Goddess, he can read! Let’s give the boy a hand.)

and felt obliged to set the record straight. YAF is not anti-Semitic as Tremlett implies.

(Okay, maybe he can’t read too well. I never implied that YAF was anti-Semitic. I said the speaker you were bringing in was, and wanted to know if you stood by his previous statements on Jews and the Holocaust.)

Not only does YAF have Jewish members,

(Are THEY happy you’re bringing in a Holocaust denier?)

but we organized the protest for when Great Issues brought Joe Carr to campus last year. Carr was paid with student tax dollars to come to MSU and rant and rave about how evil Israel is. Do a Google search of Joe Carr’s name or visit his website at www.lovinrevolution.org. He is an “artist” who has written songs that honor Palestinian suicide bombers who kill innocent Jewish people on buses. If you visit the “links” section of his website, you will see that he posted a link to the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) website, which is a terrorist group that has attacked our university in the past by firebombing buildings, according to the State News “Activists Uncaged” (SN 4/27/2004) article.

(Okay, so you think he’s scum, and maybe he is. But are you trying to say that, since ‘they’ brought in scum, so can you? Because otherwise, you really are taking up a lot of valuable letter space to tell us about Joe Carr when the real issue is Nick Griffin.)

I find it necessary to point out what Tremlett neglected to say in his letter about our upcoming speaker. Nick Griffin is the leader of the fastest growing and fourth largest political party in Great Britain.

(Argument by popularity? Hogwash. Millions of Americans love Bill and Hillary Clinton, but that doesn’t mean they’re right, or don’t have skeletons in their closet. Why should it be any different with the BNP?)

The British National Party (BNP) is hardly anti-Semitic;

(This is either extremely naïve on your part, or a willful lie. The BNP were anti-Semitic in the recent past, and are still very much so. They still make stupid, anti-Semitic statements and deny the Holocaust – they just do it more quietly, these days. Just because they’ve learned from David Duke’s example and recouched their terms doesn’t mean they’ve changed.)

Jewish members of the BNP have been elected to political offices in the past.

(And Black soldiers fought on the side of the Confederacy, as you recently pointed out on the YAF blog. Some Jews also argue in favor of the destruction of Israel. Kool-Aid is Kool-aid, no matter who’s drinking it. What’s your point?)

({Item: Jews, like all other people, can only join the BNP if they’re native-born Britons who are ‘White.’})

Griffin said a very controversial, inaccurate statement in the past, but has since recanted it.

(Please provide a link to a source that corroborates that. I have yet to find it anywhere. I doubt it really exists.)

It is unfortunate that the liberals have to resort to lies, deceit, and sometimes violence instead of contributing to political discourse in more mature ways.

(Dude, that’s the BNP in a nutshell. Wake up.)

Perhaps they should host an event, but this time, I recommend that they do not use student tax dollars to pay for an anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist speaker.

(“’Oh Kettle, thou art black!’ The teapot said…”)

(At any rate, I think we all get the gist of what’s going on here: you’ve been provided with proof positive that the guy you’re bringing in to talk about “Islam” is an anti-Semitic, Holocaust-Denying, crypto-fascist racist… and MSU YAF just doesn’t care.)

(Let’s be making with the documented sources that Nick Griffin recanted all his previous statements, Mr. Bristow.)

When you mix immaturity and boredom you get J. Ed´s contributions of meaningless banter. However, you are allowed to voice your mediocre opinion, as banal as it is. Keep it up.

It seems to me that there are people, who hate the YAF group (and perhaps for good reason from thier own point of view) and it’s vocal members. I’m not saying people don’t have a right to voice thier own oppinion, because they do, but it seems a little hypocitical to me to hate a particular person or group when one accuses the hated group of practicing hate themselves. What I mean is that if a person doen’t approve of a certain groups actions then why should that person or group of people practice the act they don’t approve of towards the other group?

If one doesn’t approve of what YAF does or what they stand for than fine. Organise another group or get involved in having your voice heard in a civilised manner or just learn to accept the fact that there will always be opposing groups in any community and learn to love them despite what they believe. That’s what Jesus would have done.

God Bless

I hope what protests exist remain peaceful. Unfortunately I couldn’t get a reasonably priced flight into Michigan for this event. Given the past behavior of many of the groups that plan on protesting – and what I have heard on various online forums – those who plan to protest will probably act like the savages they are during the event. Police will probably have to intervene and then the next day the savages will hold another press conference in front of the administration building accusing the police and the administration of racism. I further predict that what charges are filed will be reduced due to political pressure and that MSU will follow its unwritten policy of taking no disciplinary action against those protesters who cause a disturbance.

Hopefully I will be proven wrong and the event will remain peaceful, or at the very least, MSU will let the protesters know that acting like savages will be met with disciplinary action. Of course I doubt they would follow through with such a threat, but this should be interesting.

Peaceful. What about when the Minuteman guy. That was not peaceful. Peaceful, would be protestors standing outside, holding up signs/chanting and letting the speaker talk inside.

Nate,

My comments were not directed at you. My point was that there seems to be a deep rooted hate for anyone involved with YAF, and I just thought it was hypocritical for them to hate someone or a group, that practiced hate themselves. If you or others want to protest peacefuly that’s fine. I’m merely suggesting people keep thier attitudes in check, because if they hate one group and then expect that group not to hate then I would consider that hypocritical.

Nathan Hall: Actually, I think Jesus would walk up to Nick Griffin and say “Hi, I’m the King of the Jews. Now, about those six million…”

That’s a good point, though. At what point does hating people who hate become a self-defeating, pointless crusade?

For the record, I don’t hate YAF. I think they’re immature goobers, yes, but there’s a lot of immature goobers in the world, and I don’t have the emotional energy to hate them all just for their gooberism. Besides, they might someday learn better, grow out of where they are now and become sterling, stalwart members of whatever community they wind up in.

I don’t even know that I hate Nick Griffin, either. My distaste for his politics, worldview and party are pronounced, yes, but to say I hate him is overstating it. Maybe if I was British?

But even if I DID hate one or both of them, should I refrain from saying that they’re doing something wrong (dare I say, hateful?) because if I do, then I’m just going around in circles and am somehow no different from them?

Or should I say what needs to be said, and do what needs to be done, anyway? Because if I navel-gaze and question my questioning of the question, I’m just gonna sit on my hands and do nothing. And some part of the puzzle that makes up the greater good that maybe only I could fill is going to be left empty.

Put it this way: any immature guy can sit in his underwear in front of the computer – dorito dust up and down his ample belly – and stir up trouble for laughs because he doesn’t really feel one way or the other about the issue. But I think it matters IMMENSELY that YAF is bringing this person to Campus, and am trying to raise awareness of who he is and what he really stands for.

And if I occasionally slip into a less than Christlike state of mind while doing it, I don’t know that I should be too terribly worried.

But it begs the question Van Dyke, why aren’t you stirring the pot at colleges in Texas? Why do you bother playing games with people 1500 miles away?

for a complete look at what white-supremacist, racist thugs Nick Griffin and the British National Party are, go to: www.maws.wordpress.com and click on “who are nick griffin and the British National Party”. That is sure to clear up any confusion as to whether YAF has brought straight up fascists to campus. in case you were wondering but didn’t want to visit the blog, they did and they are:)

“Mr. Tremlett, are you suprised Kyle’s letter used countless straw man arguments?”

Surprised? No. I expected as much.

Disappointed? Yes. I think MSU deserves a much better explanation for YAF’s choice of speaker.

Steve, it was peaceful.

Violence is when you hit someone. Making a lot of noise is not “violence”. Making a lot of noise is nothing to what that man was advocating—shooting down immigrants in the border.

It seems to me that the YAF and people like Mr. Van Dyke are only happy when they envision some vast conspiracy out to silence them.

If you read the letter President Simon handed down about the “Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day” from last year, you’d see an evenhandedness and a call for respect.

If the administration was so biased and interested in not seeing conservative speakers on campus, why allow controversial speakers like those the YAF regularly brings in? If you tell me that they can’t think of an easy excuse to reject an APF form, you’re crazy!

The administration can’t do anything about protesters, and the campus and local police have helped the YAF quell potential situations reliably.

As for the teachers, there may be more liberal teachers on campus, but if you wanted all one viewpoint, there are plenty of other schools out there with conservative principles being taught 24/7. Why not go there?

The question remains, then, where is this conspiracy that all of the YAFfers are talking about? Is it that they just love playing the victim?

Dear Haha, if you had enough time to go look up in the DSM-III what sadistic personality disorder is, then you should be familiar that the DSM-IV leaves it out of the updated version because it is no longer considered a psychological disorder. That is why the DSM-IV is much more reliable in looking at psychological disorders. So next time you want to accuse someone of needing psychological help make sure you have some reliable sources instead of outdated sources which have been proven wrong since.