http://statenews.com Although officials have remained mum on a formerly enrolled MSU student’s arrest for making a terrorist threat or false report of terrorism, some close to him have disclosed details about the events leading up to his arrest, including his statements regarding the need to commit suicide to avoid hurting others. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:00:32 -0500 webmaster@statenews.com http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47211 Oh big deal. Your typical depressed teenage boy with a little too much testosterone and a little to little direction. If you think this kid had terrorist potential, you’re a damned moron. Get real. They are talking about him like his life is over. Give the kid a chance, and show him that this world that has obviously treated him like crap is not as bad as he thinks it is. Also be glad that after being picked on/misunderstood all his life (an assumption, but I suspect it is true), the only person he wants to hurt is himself. Why? Because all you worthless “pop-culture” types have actually convinced him that he is the defective one, when actually it is you. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:03:18 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47211 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47213 Also, If this kid is actually charged with terrorism for his suicide with “explosives” threat, and it sticks, F this county, and F this country. That’s taking it too far. Get the kid some help, give him a chance. He sounds like an independent thinker, and that is hard to find nowadays amongst the plethora of lemming-like morons that flock on this campus each and every day. Give him a chance to grow up. I want to know what kind of “explosives” he “wanted” to make, because any teenager who likes to pain their nails is in possession of the necessary ingredients to make a nice one – acetone peroxide. Shall we start arresting them as well? What a joke. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:09:27 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47213 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47214 paint* Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:10:01 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47214 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47216 Having nail polish does not make you dangerous, but seriously asserting that you want to jump off the Chem building with explosives does. Let’s be serious here. Do you think the individual who shot up all of those innocent people at Virginia Tech needed to be given an “opportunity to grow up” and should have been given another chance? Tell that to those families whose loved ones died. While I’m not asserting that this young man had any sort of intention of doing the aforementioned by any means, I don’t think that “Whatever” (the above poster) can blow off this situation as if it is no big deal and merely something that happens everyday. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:45:22 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47216 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47225 The above comments are very similar to those made after the Va Tech massacre. No one took that kid’s comments seriously, either. It’s very hard not to over-react while still protecting the community. What if police/FBI had not charged this kid, and something even remotely similar to Va Tech occurred? The same writers would be berating the law enforcement authorities for being asleep. This kid’s comments go beyond the angst that is typical/expected for his age. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:33:02 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47225 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47237 If you’re dumb enough to make a threat like that and not expect to get in some sort of trouble in this day and age, you deserve everything you get. Once you start ignoring threats and making excuses for the perpetrator, its only a matter of time before a serious one slips through the cracks. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:05 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47237 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47238 Thank god it says formally enrolled student. I feel safer now. Wait the ELPD made an arrest other then an MIP or UIP? Great job boyz. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:21:11 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47238 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47243 Steve, and all the other people that feel “safer” now; The comments made by the VA tech murderer were much darker, and were not just about killing himself – That kid had ISSUES. He was diagnosed “Mentally Ill” long before the massacre, but noone did anything about it. You freaks that are scared of a little kid talking about guns and “explosives” are the same freaks that are unable to think for yourselves – You can’t analyze this situation objectively and come up with a rational conclusion. Rather, you need someone to do it for you. I’ll bet you all voted for B.Hussein as well, as that is the caliber of college student who would have bought his “HOPE” propaganda. You all make me sick. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:46:40 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47243 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47249 My money is riding on this kid being a planted sleeper cell. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:22:39 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47249 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47259 I’m with tedman. This guy probably has at least 50 machine guns, 100,000 rounds of ammunition, and piles of C-4 stockpiled in his dorm room. Also, he is probably Osama Bin Laden’s nephew, and I’m sure he is in some way affiliated with the KKK and any/all other “hate” groups. Also, he probably didn’t vote for Obama, which obviously means he is a racist and a jew hating nazi, and a terrorist and a hate monger and a pedophile and an abortion doctor murderer. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:54:32 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47259 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47264 You know, Ted Kaczynski was a pretty intelligent “free thinker” as well. It’s a good thing that nobody ever inhibited his genius.. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:06:59 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47264 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47268 And yes, I realize that was a long time go and things were different back then. I am just a troll so ignore me. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:25:03 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47268 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47269 turk, you can’t compare a 17 year old kid to a psycho old man from the 70’s/80’s. That’s just ignorance. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:28:47 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47269 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47271 I’m not saying he’s going to start sending mail bombs, but it’s obvious that he needs help. “Whatever” seems to think that antisocial behavior and free thinking are interchangeable. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:33:24 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47271 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47272 turk, I disagree. I think “whatever” is trying to say that calling someone a terrorist because they like guns and explosives (like many teenage boys do) is stupid. It sounds like the kid wanted some attention, and he is definitely getting it. I also agree with “whatever” that trying to compare this kids alleged behavior with that VA tech psycho is moronic. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:40:07 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47272 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47282 “Hear the case before you decide it.” Sage words from the late Alfred P. Murrah, former Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit. He is the same guy after whom an Oklahoma City Federal Building was named, then subsequently bombed by an American citizen/terrorist. For those of you who claim to be intelligent, I strongly encourage you to consider his advice. When you rush to judge others, what is really revealed is your own bias. You have offered nothing of substance here, aside from your own axe to grind or personal diatribe. Mr. Aslam, as well as those upon whom we rely for protecting us from those who would do us harm, deserve our respect. Unless you know all of the facts involved, your judgment is largely meaningless. Granted, this is a forum for people who don’t want to be accountable, to say anything they like. However, please don’t expect the rest of us to take you seriously. Instead, make a reasoned, well though out argument, without all of the hyperbole and ego-centered BS. Perhaps you will actually provoke a decent discussion, rather than a pseudo-intellectual name calling session. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:53:20 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47282 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47292 I know Zack and he is a great kid.We would find him in the lounge and talk with him all night and everyone loved him. Its hurting my friends’ and my heart that this is happening to him and you people are bashing him like so. I know he wouldn’t try to hurt anyone but if he did say those things then yes he needs some counseling but if he’s put in jail then the his issues wont be addressed and he is only going to get worst. I just hope the Lord will protect and watch over him during these trying times. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:51:30 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47292 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47293 i can’t believe this is even an argument…the kid wanted to jump off a building with explosives on and thought he might hurt people in the future. this is not your average troubled teenage boy. sure, get him some help, but also get him off of an enormous college campus…its not a good environment for him or the people around him. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:54:32 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47293 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47294 Ted Kaczynski went to U of M, so I think we’re gonna be ok here. Honestly, if these reports are accurate, they definitely merit a conversation with the student and law enforcement. Now I cannot help but think of the cocktail of stereotypes that are surrounding this case, but I am sure that something will be worked out in the end. Don’t be too quick to judge. I know this is difficult advice for many anonymous bloggers. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47294 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47295 I agree with John, wait for the facts. In any case, it sounds from the initial information that he needs more compassion and support rather than heartless accusative, and definitely RACIST intonations of terrorist accusations. Release him from jail now, and Ingham County should have to pay for his counseling before the kangaroo court convenes. This story should highlight just how out of hand our “terrorism” laws have become, how they are now targeting non-violent, young college freshman victims of their own depression. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:15:03 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47295 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47304 Is this Change we Can Believe In B.H. Obama? Using FBI resources and our federal tax dollars to go on a witch hunt for a depressed teenager who dreamed of only ending his own life? I’d like a refund for the joke of an investigation the FBI most definitely pulled up on his “internet” readings and postings. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:44:46 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47304 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47306 I agree completely with Dan. If you don’t think your privacy is being violated, get on facebook chat with a friend. Send “trigger” words back and forth – “bomb, embassy, allah, jihad, osama bin laden, nuclear, attack, assasination, president, etc” – After a few minutes of this, your facebook will suddenly shut down and won’t let you log in for a while – It will tell you that the account is “under investigation”. Everything you do online, on your cell phone, or on any other electronic network-enabled device is logged. There is no privacy. You can thank GW and BO for that, and BO is taking it even further. Pretty soon, they’ll be prosecuting us for “thought crimes” like in that silly tom cruise movie. I hope this kid sues the hell out of the ELPD, FBI and whoever else he can. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:51:44 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47306 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47311 A story about a depressed kid who may or may not have made a terrorist threat has devolved into people blaming Obama for this. People can find a way to make anything about a politician they disagree with. I’m sure if this had happened in 2005 Bush would be getting the blame. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:13:07 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47311 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47314 Put him behind bars. Or better yet, put him in Gitmo for life. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:57:57 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47314 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47315 Yep, You are a complete dumbass. If you honestly think your Facebook will be shut down for “trigger” words then you are retarded. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:13:12 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47315 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47325 Mike, I was speaking with a friend in albania on facebook about 4 days ago, and it happened to ME. We were joking about how bin laden was supposedly hiding in albania, etc. Also talking about how my friend was going to get back before their VISA expired, and if they would have to go the embassy. We then started talking about the turmoil in the middle east and the assassination of bhutto and that’s when it happened – My facebook and my friends was down for about an hour. It’s the truth, try it if you don’t believe me. Moron. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:03:11 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47325 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47326 How is your political career going? Are you in the campaigning process? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:16 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47326 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47332 I’m flat broke, I need to update my user page. I can’t afford campaigning without a full-time job, all I can find is a part-time right now. My district, which is mostly Montcalm County in West Michigan has 19% unemployment, the competition for even very basic jobs is inhumanly fierce. The problem precipitated with tool and die shops losing business from the diminishing domestic auto industry, and Electrolux moved their factory from Greenville, MI to some place in Mexico. That’s what globalization is really about people, forget the ISS and IAH brainwashing sessions. Not to say it’s even worse, I’ve read reports of the people of the City of Detroit straddled with 29% unemployment, yes these are worse than depression era figures. Yes, I do blame Bush for the PATRIOT Act. These problems aren’t partisan so much as they are due to spineless politicians of all stripes (mostly yellow stripes if you’ve all noticed by now). Obamination voted for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which for any Law and Order fans, was shown to be a system of secret courts, breaking and entering, and more warrantless wiretaps. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:34:22 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47332 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47336 Unbelievable how many trolls lurk the State News message boards lately. The kid may have been plotting to do something extreme, or he may have just said stupid stuff while in an emotional state. It is the purpose of our legal system to figure this out, and his arrest was made to protect the public from him in case it does turn out to be a legitimate threat. People like “Whatever” are just looking to flame at any opportunity by turning a completely non-political subject into “ZOMG BARACK OBAMA IS A FACIST AND HE WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!!” Go find a new hobby, you’re not shaping anyone’s opinion with troglodyte tactics like those. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:01:20 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47336 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47341 I redact my previous statement. I am nothing more than a troll myself, who am I kidding. Heh Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:34:49 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47341 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47345 Nice try. When in doubt, impersonate? Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:07:10 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47345 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47348 Dear Dan, Are you seriously blaming Obama for this? Clearly, this would not have happened during the Bush administration, right? PLEASE tell me that you’re joking? If you actually Ted the Wolverine has this exactly right. When people make claims that raise concerns, they should be investigated. In light of past events, and since none of us have a crystal ball, investigating his claims (and holding him while doing so) seems more than reasonable. I don’t doubt that he is a good kid, but that’s not the point. In fact, it sounds like he was struggling with bad thoughts and not wanting to hurt people. That is an age old pattern for people with mental health issues. They think bad thoughts and feel guilty about it. Answer me this Dan. Had the police not investigated this, and had he carried out what he talked about doing, wouldn’t you be blaming Obama for not keeping us safe? Wouldn’t you be using this as an example of his “soft administration”? Everyone needs to take a deep breath here, and let those with genuine expertise (not political axes to grind) do their jobs. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:19:07 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47348 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47362 I take all that back. I am pretty much an Obama-loving bush hater who knows nothing more than the word “HOPE”, and any rhetoric that I have managed to memorize off my various liberal podcasts. Also, I eat babies. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:06:39 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47362 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47376 Come on now, let’s be civil. John asked a fair question. Unfortunately, he didn’t expand my comment indicating that the American people have been betrayed by both major parties (think about it, John D. Rockefeller IV is a national Democrat, you honestly think the wealthiest family in history cares about the average citizen?) Obama is like the CEO of a major company. The Attorney General, Eric Holder (his buddy from Chicago) is like his general for the Justice Department. If the FBI maintains practices of snooping into teenagers’ livejournals and calling them terrorists, then nothing has improved from the eight year Reign of Terror under Dubya. For this to be a credible threat, he would need to have made actual purchases or stockpiles of bomb-making material. The major difference with the VA Tech kid was he actually had a large stockpile of guns and ammo. Buying ammo isn’t exactly a private exercise, if you make large purchases, especially after 9/11, the feds are going to know exactly who you are and where you are. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:54:55 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47376 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47379 What the hell is wrong with this university that its first response to a student who threatens suicide is to have that student arrested…nice Lou Anna, great approach, stellar leadership Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:05:28 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47379 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47424 “you honestly think the wealthiest family in history cares about the average citizen?” -I certainly wouldn’t reject the idea that they may care about the avereage citizen simply on grounds of their wealth. In reality, I would imagine that there is a varying degree of “care” for the average citizen throughout the family, and not one standard that they all adhere to. “Obama is like the CEO of a major company.” -That statement is ill-advised. What does it even mean? In what way(s)? That’s the kind of thing you want to back up with an explanation. Quite a generalization. “For this to be a credible threat, he would need to have made actual purchases or stockpiles of bomb-making material.” - That’s actually incorrect. For this to be a credible threat, he would have to communicate to someone else an intention or desire to hurt somebody. That is the criteria for a threat to be “credible” in the legal context, which is certainly the only context of any merit to this situation. I find it curious that you are so insistant that this kid did not pose any real danger to society. The truth is that you don’t know, and neither do I. It almost seems that you are insistant that one of many possible scenarios is certainly the reality, just because it provides a framework for the espousing of certain political viewpoints that you hold…. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:17:47 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47424 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47456 Seriously Dan, this article cites people who he told legitimate threats to. The man threatened to blow himself up while jumping off a building. Don’t you think that might constitute danger for anyone in or around that building when he does it regardless of his intentions to not hurt anyone? Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:18:14 -0400 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47456 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47614 “Nice try. When in doubt, impersonate?” Tell me about it. I see some troll jackass is still pretending to be me. I wish they’d create user accounts for this forum… but then someone would just beat me to the nick and go to town :) Anyway, I feel for the kid, but we have to remember that at no time has speech never had consequences. If you say the wrong thing to the wrong person, and it gets reported to the wrong people, you will get someone to come by with a telescope to shove up your ass and look for incriminating evidence. When I was in college, one kid I knew got into an argument with a somewhat-unhinged person about ethics and assassinations. And during the argument, the kid said that, yes, he’d shoot the President if it was a case of self-defense or higher purpose. A week later, the secret service knocked on his door and wanted to have a word with him. They confirmed that, yes, the unhinged student – who was known for calling the authorities on others – had informed on him. But they were also convinced by the end of their interview that the kid meant no harm to the current President, and was just talking about ‘what ifs.’ Would that interview have gone quite differently if it happened now? And would it have gone differently, now or then, if the kid had been someone with an Arabic name, rather than an anglo-saxon one? Who can say. But you got to be careful. Always. Someone has always been listening, and may make trouble for you. Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:40:31 -0500 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47614 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47621 Yup, This is exactly Obama’s fault. I mean Obama is an omnipresent liberal god like creature that is pulling the strings of every single decision, made at every single level, in every single way. Granted it was Bush who actually created this whole little charge everyone (and their mother) with terrorism culture, but that was in fact Obama. You see, Obama is in fact Dick Cheney in a costume. He switches back and forth all the time so that he can control all aspects of life and both political parties (plus Halliburton). In fact Obaney (Cheney-Obama’s real name) is here with me right now telling me what to write. Sadly there are probably writers on this message board who would believe the above, so long as it led to Obama bashing Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:23:25 -0500 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47621 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47669 I love the people that act like Obama has nothing to do with this. These people say how crazy it is to blame the President for this story. Yet… these are the SAME PEOPLE that blamed Bush for 9/11 AND a variety of isolated, random incidents. Hell, the poster above did JUST THAT. Of course it’s not Obama’s fault. But Bush was not responsible for EVERYTHING that went wrong during his time in office. Liberals are awful. Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:00:32 -0500 http://statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/47669