July 25, 2008

Editorial Board

Laura Misjak
Kate Polesnak
Lindsey Poisson
James Harrison
Jason Chiou
Justin Harris

Students should respect professors in class

We’ve all done it. There’s no shame in admitting to it.

Students sometimes need that stimulating distraction during labs and lectures to keep from going insane. Most commonly, people choose to read a newspaper (or, more commonly, play the sudoku or crossword puzzles), text message or use laptops for something other than taking notes.

You’re probably doing it right now.

Unfortunately, not too many professors tolerate multitasking in class, and at least one finally had enough. Laurence Thomas, a philosophy professor at Syracuse University, walked out midlecture a few weeks ago after seeing a student texting in the front row. Thomas, who had previously asked students not to do such things during class, later explained to his students in an e-mail, “Everyone has to understand that respect is a two-way street. I respect you, as I endeavor to do and you respect me.”

He’s got a point.

These people deserve our respect — especially those who’ve worked hard to obtain their status and expertise. Without professors, our world would be a much scarier and severely ignorant place. Yet despite how powerful these individuals actually are, their authority is undermined with every high-volume ringtone blaring in the middle of class.

Students often make the mistake of thinking because they — or their parents — pay for these classes, professors should simply accept whatever happens. Consumers are conditioned to get what they want in exactly the way they want it with little regard for the inconvenience it causes others. College, however, doesn’t work that way. We pay to join and participate in a pre-existing education process. There’s little to no way for students to influence the direction or operations of these courses in a way that makes it easier for them to do anything other than learn.

Thomas’ actions might not have been the best approach, however. Students who have some sense of classroom etiquette shouldn’t be punished for the actions committed by a few shameless offenders. As long as students are a little more covert with their texting, newspaper reading and sudoku playing, there shouldn’t be a problem.

If it’s distracting for those wanting to learn and pay attention, then professors shouldn’t tolerate it.

They should stop class and ask those offending people to leave. In front of everyone.

Although many students and their parents might be outraged by any sort of public embarrassment, it seems like the most effective solution to a constantly recurring problem. Another would be for courses to eliminate mandatory attendance, which would help weed out the worst offenders who clearly don’t want to be in class in the first place.

We’re all adults here — it’s time to act like it. Students who choose to go to class should know better than to make a noisy, distracting spectacle of themselves.

Published on Monday, April 7, 2008

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Get Your Facts Straight
04/07/08 @ 7:30pm

If I am forced to attend a class I deem worthless (i.e. ISS, ISB, ISP, WRA, ATL, IAH) I will do whatever I can to prevent me from falling asleep and snoring loudly which actually might disrupt the learning experience.
These professors should realize I pay to attend there class and as long as my presence does not disrupt others they should have no right to remove me from the room.
If I pay 1500 dollars for a class and want to show up and read a book in the front row that is my right as a consumer.
Unfortunately the education sector does not look at education as a consumer/provider relationship which is why our public schools poorly.

J. Edward Tremlett
04/07/08 @ 9:20pm

“These professors should realize I pay to attend there class and as long as my presence does not disrupt others they should have no right to remove me from the room.”
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“Unfortunately the education sector does not look at education as a consumer/provider relationship which is why our public schools poorly.”

I take it you used the tax dollars side of that consumer/provider argument to fall asleep during writing classes in Elementary school?

I’m sorry, but your attitude is lousy, and is yet another fine example of how universities are filled with people who really shouldn’t be there at all, thus making the experience less enriching for those who really should.

Incredulous Alumnus
04/07/08 @ 9:22pm

So you’re in a position to determine the worthlessness of a class?Great attitude!!Looking at your post and all of your grammar and spelling mistakes leads me to believe that you should turn off the Ipod ,put down the crossword and actually learn something!!! If you don’t like the classes,you could always go burn something….What a narcissistic little douchebag!!!

Chris
04/07/08 @ 11:50pm

I think there is a difference between sitting in the FRONT ROW AND TEXT MESSAGING and casually checking your email or doing something else on your laptop somewhere.

santiago
04/08/08 @ 1:18am

This professors are silly. They get paid loads of money, they are tenured, and stilly whine about a few kids silent, distracted kids. Sorry, but most people go to college to get a degree and enter the job market.

rightysparty
04/08/08 @ 1:48am

A bunch of whining, left-wing, liberal professors.

It’s their fault if people aren’t listening.

Steve
04/08/08 @ 7:39am

The prof. is way out of line, walking out of class. Those students paid to be there and he owes them that lecture time. It really matters not what the students are doing on their computers, he still owes them the time they paid for. These profs seem to think that students are in their classes to actually learn something, the reality is that 90% of college students are paying for a piece of paper. I don’t care if profs like it or not, students are paying for these classes and the profs, being paid with tuition dollars, need to preach, I mean lecture, at the appointed time and teach content relevant to the class subject. That’s their duty to students, it is students duty to pay their bill.

Bill Lumberg
04/08/08 @ 8:05am

Anyone surprised by last weekend’s riot need only read the writings of Get Your Facts Straight, santiago, rightysparty, and Steve to see where this ignorance comes from. The “I pay for it all do what ever I want” attitude is really quite frighting.

Dan
04/08/08 @ 8:12am

Without professors, our world would be… a severely ignorant place”

Are there studies to confirm this statement?

shocked
04/08/08 @ 8:36am

Dan — apparently even with professors our world is a severely ignorant place, as other posters have shown above.

I was appalled by the lack of respect until I remembered I’m at a state school that admits anyone who can pay the tuition. College used to be for the best and brightest, now it’s an extension of high school. I have great concerns for our future.

KT
04/08/08 @ 9:51am

Shocked –

Clearly you’re confused about what school you attend. MSU has high standards for acceptances, and regularly turns away TONS of people, regardless of their ability to pay tuition.

You just may be more of a part of this severely ignorant world than you think you are.

Jake
04/08/08 @ 9:55am

I agree with Steve that it was out of line to walk out of the class because one person was texting in the front row. Individual professors have different things that annoy them during class, and the class should be made aware of it ahead of time. If an individual does not follow the rules the instructor has laid out then they should be asked to leave. The professor’s reaction in this instance seems overly dramatic.

07 Grad
04/08/08 @ 10:09am

I agree that students should pay attention in class and the above mentioned incident was probably the “straw that broke the camel’s back.”

However, at MSU, the University spent a lot of money installing wireless Internet routers throughout the classroom spaces. This would appear to me as an invitation to be online while in class considering I never had a class where the prof encouraged surfing as part of the lesson.

Chris
04/08/08 @ 10:10am

I think comments like the one by “RightySparty” only create these divides. You know NOTHING about this professor and you just can’t wait to jump up and label him a leftist. Good God, that’s why ‘you people’ don’t get half the credit you feel you deserve.

Poon Tang
04/08/08 @ 10:13am

Yeah Shocked, WSU is the only state school that will accept anyone that can pay tuition.

And in regards to the professor…I think he overreacted, but I commend the fact that he would not tolerate such disrespect. As a student I get sick and tired of seeing the blatant disrespect of professors that happens in all of my classes and I think it’s great when profs yell at the in-class texters. However, walking out is a bit extreme.

I read another article on this a few weeks ago and the prof seemed to make it some sort of weird race issue. He was extremely offended by the fact that the kid was Cuban and said something about how minorities should respect other minorities…It was kinda crazy

Tim
04/08/08 @ 11:27am

It does seem that the professor overreacted. Why not set aside a % of the final grade for participation and simply give the offending students a 0? Or the professor could simply try and embarass the student like a law professor of mine did. He answered a student’s phone when it rang in class and told the girl’s mother that her daughter was in class at the time and would be in class at that time for the remainder of the semester. He also pulled the girl aside after class to address the issue. Needless to say there were no ringing phones the remainder of the semester.

Kaz Mita
04/08/08 @ 11:41am

All professionals including those in the academia should be respected. I had the same attitude about pre-requisites during my freshman year but I now feel grateful that I took them. Since my interests have always been related to business and economics, I was not as well rounded as I should be. Once you have the benefit of hindsight, you will truly appreciate your experience at Michigan State including pre-requisites and courses you had to take outside of your major. If you are at least 18 years old, it is your duty to motivate yourself to study and attend class. Sleeping and disturbing others are not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

Alum05
04/08/08 @ 12:02pm

Tim,

That’s hilarious what that professor did. I remember that people would always let their cell phones go off in some of my larger classes, which got really annoying for the rest of us who actually tried to listen. It always seemed to throw the prof off from his line to thought, which is also annoying. I really do think that it’s common sense to shut your phone off, not vibrate, for class. Then again, common sense just doesn’t seem to be so common anymore. There should be more professors like the one you had that won’t tolerate interruptions in class.

Matthew
04/08/08 @ 1:17pm

Looks like most of the Spartans need to get a clue. I just graduated from the law school. If your phone rang, you were reading the newspaper (though in three years I never saw anyone dare do that), or, in some classes, if you were caught web surfing you were asked to leave the class immediately. That day was considered an absence and, per the State Bar of Michigan, if you missed a certain number of days (usually 5) you failed the class. No questions asked; you fail.

That is the “real world” you all claim to want to be a part of. If you don’t pay attention you fail. Looks like it’s the students who are the whiners. How embarassing.

Tina
04/08/08 @ 2:11pm

In a large anonymous lecture class, where students have no opportunity to meaningfully interact with the instructor or each other, how is it hurting anyone if a student is text messaging? It doesn’t impede the prof’s ability to lecture or the other student’s ability to learn, does it?

And, yeah, in a smaller class, just make participation a significant part of the grade, and give the text-messager a 0% for the semester, thus lowering a 3.5 to 3.0, etc. (But give fair warning in the syllabus that you’ll be doing that).

Jack
04/08/08 @ 2:35pm

Tina,

It is distracting to sit next to somebody who is constantly getting their phone out to send and read messages. If what you have to say is so important that you cannot spend an hour listening to lecture then please just skip class.

Anonymous
04/08/08 @ 3:34pm

I have noticed that more and more people feel that what they want to do (text message etc) is way more important that what they should be doing (paying attention in class or driving for example). I doubt that whatever it is that you feel you need to tell them right now, can probably wait a few minutes.

Justin Lippi
04/09/08 @ 11:10am

So this situation with this professor who walked out of class.. the reason it has gained so much press coverage is the teacher actually proposed that it was the race/ethnicities of the students that made them disrespectful.. which of course he is saying is within his free speech to say.. like that somehow makes him right and not a bigot worth being shot down

Justin Lippi
04/09/08 @ 11:13am

And not only is he using collective punishment, he is using collective punishment AND blaming it on the races of the students.. THAT is wrong. I dont care whether this teacher deserved to be respected or had the right to walk out of class, he should be fired now.

Chris Cuyar
04/10/08 @ 12:33pm

As someone who would like to be a professor some day, I can honestly say professors don’t work for the money. They work because they love their field of study. Someone with a PhD in economics or finance could make loads more money doing research for a company on Wall Street than working at a college like MSU. But they choose to be a professor because of the academic freedom they are given to pursue their interests and enrich the lives of students who attend their classes.

When a student shows up and is uninterested in what the professor is teaching and maybe even downright disruptive to his teaching, it is a slap in the face to the professor. You are mocking his life’s work as both irrelevant and uninteresting. And to top it off, you are making his job harder by distracting other (in some cases).

I know I hope for the day when students will be eager to learn about the things that I found interesting enough to study for life. I agree that mandating that students attend class is a bad idea, because you get people who come when they really don’t want to. I also wish they’d let students pick their classes without having to meet random requirements (think IAH, ISS and all of those other classes that both the professors and the students don’t want to be at).

John Q.Public
04/11/08 @ 10:59am

If you don’t want the “random requirements”,take a technical two year degree!! The theory behind the freshman-sophomore general ed classes is to produce a “more-rounded“student that can contribute to the world at large.Obviously SOME of them prefer to riot or narcissistically assume that, since the sun shines out of their asses and illuminates and warms the Earth,that they are without a doubt the center of EVERYTHING!!!

Agent5
04/16/08 @ 12:43pm

Unfortunately, this article vomits all over itself.

“Students should respect professors in class”

“As long as students are a little more covert with their texting, newspaper reading and sudoku playing, there shouldn’t be a problem.”

Perhaps the headline should have read: “Students should pretend to respect professors while ignoring them in class”

I agree that the correct response should be asking the offending student to leave and get notes from a peer, since he/she apparently doesn’t need them from the prof.

Don’t like the IAH/ISS and other university requirements? Perhaps you should have read up on your major requirements before starting at MSU. Just because you were ignorant of the courses required for your degree doesn’t mean that someone who wants to be there should have to deal with your texting, your phone ringing, or your deliberate mockery of material they find important.